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Otherkin as Common Knowledge

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54 minutes ago, Rhannan said:

 

As long as the source is trustworthy and editing is minimalistic at best, just to fix grammar errors and such, than I suppose that could also work.

As a side note, Reddit seems to be an interesting place. Not exactly what I'm thinking of, but they have an Otherkin board on there I'm looking through.

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One thing I think needs to be considered carefully about a blog is that being Otherkin is not a religion and as such does not technically fall into the realms of "you can believe what you like it doesnt bother me" 

You will be aiming to talk to people who do not have any concept of how this works and the nearest comparison they have is mental illness,

I truly believe that most people are not bothered one way or another until directly confronted with it, and then tolerances and points of view vary tremendously.

I think I am stating the obvious because you are all talking about not having real names associated with it...but does that also take away from the blogs credibility?

Zygo :flame:

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On 4/5/2018 at 6:27 AM, Zygopterix said:

One thing I think needs to be considered carefully about a blog is that being Otherkin is not a religion and as such does not technically fall into the realms of "you can believe what you like it doesnt bother me" 

You will be aiming to talk to people who do not have any concept of how this works and the nearest comparison they have is mental illness,

I truly believe that most people are not bothered one way or another until directly confronted with it, and then tolerances and points of view vary tremendously.

I think I am stating the obvious because you are all talking about not having real names associated with it...but does that also take away from the blogs credibility?

Zygo :flame:

In some ways it does fall into that realm, but I can see what you mean. For me, the aim would be to put knowledge out there for those who are trying to learn about what they're going through and want to know more. These articles online give a false impression of us and if we could have something out there competing, that isn't just half-dead forums, I think it would help and reach more people who need guidance. As for the name thing.....a certain level of anonymity is necessary I think. There are plenty of people out there who don't have their real identities on their blogs or any other account for that matter. I think a lot of that is people wanting to be someone other than who they are, but in our case it would provide a cover. At the very least, anyone submitting an article for posting should be able to remain under an alias.

Yaakovana - The editing should be minimal and sources definitely trustworthy. There is a lot of thought and planning that would need to go into something like this before actually starting it.

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On 4/4/2018 at 10:40 AM, Yaakovana Tovah said:

It's not a bad idea by any measure. Question is where you want to put this blog.

I already blog on Blogger and it works fine. And it just takes  a Google account to start a blog. One of us could make an account on the behalf of say this castle and those relevant could be given the password.

But we need to discuss a whole lot more about this, and if the blog should be directed to this forum,  of course also discuss this with the admins.

 

 

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Agreed. I like the idea of a blog...but much discussion I think needs to happen before someone pulls the trigger on this. Heck I'm even open to the idea of getting the ball rolling, since it seems I've got nothing but time these days.   I've skimmed over this entire thread, and there are just a couple of thoughts I had I wanted to put out there.

1) Yes, there are a lot of folks out there, both keen on the idea of Otherkin and not so much, that regard the lion's share of the the kintypes that people discuss as pure myth.  To counter that, I say, even myths are rooted in a kernel of truth. I have my own thoughts on the subject and I believe at one point I might have put the TL;DR version of them in one of the various subforums floating around in the castle ether. 

2) While I get that making this information a matter of public record might not sit well with some for various reasons, I say, #)*$ em if folks in general are much too narrow minded to accept a concept that challenges their worldview.  It's one of the myriad ways a person grows is to have a little challenge like that thrown at 'em every now and again.

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I, too, have time right now since I'm out of work. Mostly I'm just hanging around at home trying to get my classes done and either writing or playing a game. I've already got a blog that is still in the fledgling stage, so I wouldn't have an issue with making another, but, as we all seem to be in agreement, this needs to be discussed and agreed upon first.

@Vaerynn I also believe that myths have a basis somewhere, some part of them that is rooted in the truth. Their origins may simply be on another plane of existence that was once more readily accessible. Unfortunately, people have become so "open-minded" these days that they have closed themselves off to the beliefs and views of others. If you don't agree with them you're a bigot, etc. Shameful, really, what humanity is coming to.

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I have a hoodie with a picture of a cat.  It says "I'm A Cat Trapped In A Human Body."  People think it's cute.  It's a ninthreatening way of stating my Otherkinness.

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That does sound really cute, SnowCat, and I'd probably say the same if I saw it in-person. There seems to be a slight upswing in things like that. On FB I've seen a couple of memes about signs you might be a cat and that sort of thing. I know it's for fun but it is also a quiet, unobtrusive way to state what you are to others. For most people, it will go right over their heads and they won't think anything of it, but there will be those who will understand. For a while there I know the Faerie Star was gaining popularity as the symbol for therians. Not sure how that turned out, especially considering it's the Faerie Star and meant to be used when working with the Fae. A couple of people I used to know had decided to wear and even tattoo it as a way for others to recognize them as being therian. It is certainly a nice thought, having a means of recognizing each other, but we are all so different that the same symbol can't just be slapped across us like some kind of corporate logo.

I'm sorry, did that start to sound like a rant? Because I definitely wasn't trying to go down that road :hiding:

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My personal experience is that many otherkin also have Fae ancestry.  Science insists that we have "junk DNA."  I think, if they wanted to be a bit more open minded, they would find traces of other species.  Babies are sometimes born with tails and other indications of being otherkin, but that doesn't fit in the box.

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On 18/4/2018 at 5:26 PM, Rhannan said:

That does sound really cute, SnowCat, and I'd probably say the same if I saw it in-person. There seems to be a slight upswing in things like that. On FB I've seen a couple of memes about signs you might be a cat and that sort of thing. I know it's for fun but it is also a quiet, unobtrusive way to state what you are to others. For most people, it will go right over their heads and they won't think anything of it, but there will be those who will understand. For a while there I know the Faerie Star was gaining popularity as the symbol for therians. Not sure how that turned out, especially considering it's the Faerie Star and meant to be used when working with the Fae. A couple of people I used to know had decided to wear and even tattoo it as a way for others to recognize them as being therian. It is certainly a nice thought, having a means of recognizing each other, but we are all so different that the same symbol can't just be slapped across us like some kind of corporate logo.

I'm sorry, did that start to sound like a rant? Because I definitely wasn't trying to go down that road :hiding:

I have been thinking of buying some jewelry with The Faerie Star and perhaps a tattoo as well. I feel attracted to it, and after all both Elenari and The Fae are Elves.

And I know that deep down it is strictly speaking a Fae symbol. But I can imagine that it might evolving into a broader Otherkin symbol, unless The Fae amongst us publically object to this on Otherkin forums etc. 

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Who knows why one particular symbol became associated with one particular group. Did they choose that as their symbol or was it given to them? Hard to say on subjects from ages ago. I know that some groups of humans are supposedly descended from the Fae, but it doesn't mean everyone is, nor that all kin are. It also doesn't mean they aren't I think this comes back to the issue of what your kin-ness is for you: physical, psychological, or spiritual. Vestigial organs and limbs aren't uncommon, but they are typically a throwback to when humans were in the process of evolving and stopped needing those things. We don't actually need our appendix or tonsils, they don't serve the functions they were developed for, and one day we may physically evolve to the point where they disappear.  Of course, I acknowledge that not everyone believes in evolution.

With us being such a large and diverse group, one symbol is not going to work for everyone.

As for the whole junk DNA thing, it makes me think of Leeloo from "Fifth Element". She had hundreds of extra chromosomes and strands of DNA, which only served to make her more "perfect". That extra DNA has meaning, whether it's something to do with being kin or it's as vestigial as the appendix I had to have removed a couple years ago. Just keep in mind, not everyone is otherkin and having extra DNA doesn't change that.

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Since it is kinda sorta related, I figured I'd post it here rather than create a new thread, since it kinda sorta has something to do with the idea of Otherkin as common knowledge....

I think I might have made a bit of an oopsie last night.  In my extremely weak defense, I was bombed outa my gourd and the friend I was out with, who happens to be a Norse Pagan, and myself were engaging in conversation about life after divorce.    In my state I uttered the following statement:

"In retrospect, I should have known that a marriage between an elf and a dwarf wasn't gonna last for the long haul".

She asked me what I meant by that, and I just kinda... spilled my guts. :\  About how I wasn't super surprised that I haven't been able to enter into any sort of relationship with anyone else because they wouldn't get me... and how my first GF, my ex-fiance, and my ex-wife were all kin, so I shouldn't be shocked that I'm just not clicking with the average population.   She just kinda cocked her head and said "Well, I've heard of the idea before, but I hadn't put much creedence into the idea having never met anyone who identified as such".  The night progressed and a good time was had by all, but now I'm just not certain if one of the few friends I have around here I can go and physically hang out with is now completely freaked out by my admissions. *sigh*

 

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*pats Rynn* Yea I remember spilling my guts to someone I barely knew after just a couple of drinks once. I have regretted it ever since but not for the reason you are worried about. Typically I keep a tight lid on things and have managed to refrain from telling certain people even when I am in a loose frame of mind and might want to share.

Your friend doesn't sound freaked out based on your interpretation of her initial reaction. She may ultimately have more questions for you and want to understand since she's heard of kin but not knowingly spoken with one. Sometimes people are curious but I've noticed pagans are a mixed group and can be either very open-minded or very judgemental. I wouldn't worry too much though with your friend.

I lost the rest of what I was going to say, sorry :/

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That's quite alright Rhannan.....I just needed to get that off my chest.   Sounds like I'm not the only one who's indulging in a little adult beverage... ;) 

I think the funniest thing she said after I said that was "Well, yeah, you should have known better than to try and make a relationship with an elf work"

"I'm the Elf"

"REALLY?  Drinking like you do?"

"I have my reasons"  ;) 

 

 

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Hahahaha XD

Well....I haven't been indulging actually. It's been a very busy day of cleaning and I was interrupted mid-response when my mom struck up a conversation with me. I will, however, be going to bed here very shortly as it's been a fairly long couple of days.

I've learned that I just can't date Libras, Geminis, or fellow Aries. In fact, I think I can rule out dating the entire air-element grouping just to be safe. As far as kin are concerned...I seem to attract canines despite having more feline characteristics, and these relationships tend not to work out. It's probably me, considering I am a poor judge of character usually, so I have been trying to be a bit more selective. I don't have much of an opinion on dating kin though, due to limited experience. I would certainly like to be with someone that I can share myself with, but I'm not going to hold out for that. Perhaps it's one of those topics that, with the right person, can be introduced a little at a time.

Since there are elves and dwarves in the Norse myths, it probably isn't too far fetched for her to make that connection for you being kin. I think most people think elves and dwarves don't mix well but that is due to movies, books, and probably some general misconceptions.

Maybe we should write a book (or series of posts) on the do's and don't's of kin dating :lol:

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Then you know, who have enough knowledge to know that absolutely everything that grows has some form of regenerating genetic structure, aka DNA. Rocks even have them, its just more enviromentally created rather than grown.

We can prove we share the same DNA with bananas and all sorts of things. DNA works, to put simply, like different blocks of parts that all can be interchanged, whether by evolution or lab tests, that are then scanned by a fax machine so I.T. can get to work on making it.

Just like spare parts, junk DNA may not be used, but is broken down by the body to make them into different segments.

I just recently came to the conclusion that my "Tigerness" and she who lives beside me, is part of the soul as a development of both survival and habitutation (licking my wound, biting my nails, avoiding dog-like people, etc), not from one of my previous lives or connected to my original soul.

As a side by side comparison, my father strikes as the more cat-like. But it could be my mother too. Which if I'm correct, some time in my ancestery, one of us may have interbred with humans or was passed a felinthropic disease.

What can do that?

Rabbies.

I can solve how animal humans are a complete and total possibility.

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Well, humans are animals, no matter how much they try to distance themselves from the rest of the natural world.

Out of my parents, my mom is the more likely to be something. She and I share a similar trait that is often associated with dragons, in that we love to collect gemstones and jewelry. Mine extends to some odd objects and I have a difficult time resisting the urge to investigate anything shiny whose identity isn't immediately apparent. My mom has a spark of something else as well, but it's not something I really want to discuss in an open forum. She does admit to feeling dragon-like at times but I've never brought up the subject of kin with her.

I have some theories on where my cat-ness came from, since it's definitely not a part of my original self, but I've not had time to delve into much of anything beyond schoolwork and looking for a new job lately.

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On 29/4/2018 at 3:33 AM, Rhannan said:

 

On 29/4/2018 at 3:33 AM, Rhannan said:

Hahahaha XD

Well....I haven't been indulging actually. It's been a very busy day of cleaning and I was interrupted mid-response when my mom struck up a conversation with me. I will, however, be going to bed here very shortly as it's been a fairly long couple of days.

I've learned that I just can't date Libras, Geminis, or fellow Aries. In fact, I think I can rule out dating the entire air-element grouping just to be safe. As far as kin are concerned...I seem to attract canines despite having more feline characteristics, and these relationships tend not to work out. It's probably me, considering I am a poor judge of character usually, so I have been trying to be a bit more selective. I don't have much of an opinion on dating kin though, due to limited experience. I would certainly like to be with someone that I can share myself with, but I'm not going to hold out for that. Perhaps it's one of those topics that, with the right person, can be introduced a little at a time.

Since there are elves and dwarves in the Norse myths, it probably isn't too far fetched for her to make that connection for you being kin. I think most people think elves and dwarves don't mix well but that is due to movies, books, and probably some general misconceptions.

Maybe we should write a book (or series of posts) on the do's and don't's of kin dating :lol:

Oh, I sense that I will be able to contribute to that book...dated both a Werecat and a Vampire (not at the same time though). So how compatible are Elves with Werecats and Vampires then? Well, you will just have to read the book...when it comes out :-P 

Edited by Simara
Double quoted Rhannan.
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5 hours ago, Simara said:

Oh, I sense that I will be able to contribute to that book...dated both a Werecat and a Vampire (not at the same time though). So how compatible are Elves with Werecats and Vampires then? Well, you will just have to read the book...when it comes out :-P 

lol I've dated a vampire before. It was...well it was novel and a little exciting at first, but he started showing his true colors. Also he was a couple of years younger than me and you'd be surprised just how wide the mental/emotional gap can be between men and women when they're only a few years apart in age.

One of the first do's, in any relationship: establish your personal space. I know I am somewhat OCD and possessive/territorial, so when the time comes to move in together I usually have to be very firm about what is and is not ok to mess with. One of my ex-fiances kept leaving his stuff on my altar even though I kept telling him not to. "But it's there and convenient to put my stuff on when I get home!" A) that's what the desk is right there for and b) you don't mess with someone's sacred space! I ultimately had to move it to the spare bedroom before I strangled him.

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Another first do's is to be completely honest. Do not try and sugarcoat anything!!!! Demand the same from your partner and if you do not like what you are hearing...leave!!!!

As for Vampires: I get along really well with Vampires as long as it is friendship only. At least Vampire men (or rather one paticular)are just too possesiv.

Werecats (again one paticular): Are just like cats...terratorial, possesiv, extremely nature loving, not that great when it comes to the erotic side of life or just being friends.

Otherkin dating in general: much more tolerant! Nobody will blame you for being weird and demanding you to be like anyone else. An Elf is an Elf, a Vampire is a Vampire, a Dragon is a Dragon...and No one is going to change that!

 

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I've actually found dating other kin to be...frustrating and more difficult than when the topic never comes up. It always seems to be "I'm the special one" or "I'm better than you". And, depending on what kin types you're dealing with, there's always the "well I'm older and more powerful than you". It has almost always turned into a one-up competition.

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Ugh sounds terrible. You guys are the only ones I've told and it will stay that way. I'm a Dragon and I horde secrets. Well sort of :p just one of my own, and anyone else who wants to entrust them to me

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I tend to tell only those I get good enough vibes from. As for dating Otherkin, I can't relate because so few people understand me this way, but just last night a partner and I had a night of soul searching...with a happy ending.

She has the drive of a rabbit, but she's come to an interesting revelation that she was once Mer-kin and we're comfortable enough we might put a ring on it.

She hasnt said no to my proposal either <3

{Swwwoooon}

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2 hours ago, Yaakovana Tovah said:

I tend to tell only those I get good enough vibes from. As for dating Otherkin, I can't relate because so few people understand me this way, but just last night a partner and I had a night of soul searching...with a happy ending.

She has the drive of a rabbit, but she's come to an interesting revelation that she was once Mer-kin and we're comfortable enough we might put a ring on it.

She hasnt said no to my proposal either <3

{Swwwoooon}

That is excelent new. 

Good luck.

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On 4/5/2018 at 3:25 AM, Rhannan said:

I've actually found dating other kin to be...frustrating and more difficult than when the topic never comes up. It always seems to be "I'm the special one" or "I'm better than you". And, depending on what kin types you're dealing with, there's always the "well I'm older and more powerful than you". It has almost always turned into a one-up competition.

It's strange...I experienced the complete opposite.

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