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The demonic condition and explanations of origins

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First I would like to start off by saying this is what I've learned over the years. Some may disagree with my lingo or even not agree with what's in this post. At any rate I'd like to explain how demons interact with their vessels to the best of my abilities.

First and foremost demons have no form in this realm outside of vessels. They can't be seen, but through certain schools of magic they can be communicated with. When people talk about a home being possessed it's not a demonic entity. Usually the haunting is the work of a wraith, spectre, or other malicious entity that has no affiliation with the pit at all. When we find a suitable host we will infect them with what I like to call "MDI" or "malicious demonic infection." Then and only then will a demon be observable and only by the infected. Once this happens THERE IS NO CURE. You can run from your fate and eventually fall into a delirium state in which said demon uses their "connection" with your soul to torture you. On a side note the disease is transmittable. I've seen vampires become infected from biting demonkin. Also vampires tend to get a euphoric feeling from ingesting demon blood which isn't really worth the cons.

Once a demon is known you can either allow entry or run from your fate as I explained. Most vessels will give full control but some demons can be reasoned with. In my case in very generous and choose to "share" my meat suit. Demons come in all shapes and sizes like every other entity but there is one golden rule; demons are inherently narrsistic and serve self at all times. They are not evil by any means, they are just selfish and most have a jaded veiw of us.

I will continue when time allows.

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You can run from your fate and eventually fall into a delirium state in which said demon uses their "connection" with your soul to torture you.

Any elaboration on that?

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Styxan are you a human by chance? because when I refer to possession it's usually the herd or mundane, whatever you call them. X05 to answer your question, the "delirium" I'm speaking of comes in the form of malicious visual and auditory hallucinations. They can be used to try to entice the infected vessel to yield to the demon or to drive them to a worse fate. For an example think of an infected vessel waking up in the middle of the night in the living room covered in the blood of his loved ones. He closes his eyes praying that it's a dream and when he opens them it's all gone. He hears a scream come from his bedroom so he runs in to find his beloved bleeding profusely in their bed. He realizes he was the culprit since he is wielding a bloody knife. He begins to pled with whomever he believes to make this go away only to be snapped back into reality by his wife shaking him in the doorway of his room. These kind of hallucinations are enough to put people in a submissive state. That kind of mental abuse can make the strongest willed break. As I said there is no cure which is right and wrong. Of course there is the obvious cure, angels can expell and destroy demons. I just wanted to clarify this as I left it out.

The demonic infection is not an easy disease to deal with, as it is spiritual and physical. Demons can be exorcised once they gain a vessel, though it leaves a spiritual scar on the host. This is actually the more efficient way to rid someone of a demon because MDI is incredibly hard to overcome. You can become infected with MDI through demons that are already in vessels. In this case you won't be facing a possession scenario, but you will suffer the symptoms. Luckily, without demonic aid, you WILL overcome this disease eventually. I've only heard of one case in which a vampire died to consuming demon blood. I'm sure it was some sort of addiction situation it's not the first time I've heard of this.

I will explain the origins I was speaking of when I come back. Please, continue to ask me questions. I'll be glad to answer any to the best of my abilites.

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You mentioned it attaches or connects to you.

How exactly?

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It's a spiritual connection like a parasite on the soul. Demons can also leave spiritual scars when removed because of the strangle hold we put around the soul of the host. There is a give and take as well. We keep the spiritual connection strong by "feeding" the disease with demonic energy while simultaneously using our connection to consume energy from the host. I'm no expert on exactly how the connection works, but It's how we manifest outside of the disease and begin the possession process. Since I'm an incubus I usually use a "dream state" to convince the host to agree to take me in. Some can enter forcibly and that's when you start to have "The Exorcist" type situations. It also isn't too good for the host that you want to have in the best possible shape. No reason for the host to expire early and cut our time here short. There are some of us that don't have to infect to inhabit as well, they are called aspects. Essentially aspects are the highest on the totem pole outside of the patrons and matrons of the pit (I.E. Crossroads Demons are aspects of Lucifer).

Demons originate from the void if I'm not mistaken. We are literally darkness incarnate, the creation of the fallen archangel Lucifer. Our home is the pit, which is the dimensional plane that houses the massive fortress that is Hell. Unlike this dimension, the pit is a barren wasteland as far as it's dimensional boundaries stretch. It is my understanding that there are no planets, stars, galaxies, etc. Just a massive "Hellscape". The pit was also there when Lucifer was cast out of heaven, Yahweh did NOT create it. I have no idea what inhabited it or why it existed, but it was a proper place to house Lucifer. This void I speak of is a completely different place, and it actually visible when you look into the starry night sky. It's a living thing, the void is the true "god" of our reality. Everything that exists, light and dark, came from the void and will inevitably return. The "gods of light" that humans worship also came from the void, although I have no idea how light came from darkness. On a sidenote this is why I chose to side with the darkness before I became a demon. It is the oldest and most powerful energy in this reality. All mortal entities are marked by this void as well, human beings are not excluded. EVERY human is tainted by the void, or the "primoridal sin" if you will. This is why all human souls can become demons if they are sent into the pit. I'm not sure if human souls can be cleansed and made into angels, this isn't my department so to speak.

These is a hierarchy among us as well. It's actually extremely easy to explain and I will do so when I have more time. I wish all of you the best of holidays! enjoy this existence it's precious, why do you think we do so much to get back to this plane?

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So this entity you speak of isn't counter existant? What would you say your purpose is?

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@Krowlie: I have some personal thoughts on light, darkness, and the Void, but I still need to type it out appropriately for it to make any sense. When I have it, and I'm satisfied, I'll post it in my blog section so I don't hi-jack this thread. If I ever am able to write it all out and be satisfied.

~Rhannan

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Hey sorry it took me to long to get back on the forums. Rhannan I would love to hear your own findings. X05 That's actually a good question. The void is indifferent to "good and evil" and is absolutely counter existent to beings of light... which all life in OUR universe (that we know of) stem from. However, it's not exactly an Ill will towards life, rather the void attempting to re-take it's universe. The void is the point from which reality as we know it came into existence. I'm inclined to believe this is the reason our universe is so awesomely profound on a fundamental level. I think of it as the "programmer". eventually the program will be rebooted in my opinion. The void itself is older than we can comprehend, there's no measure on how many times light has been conquered.

Sidenote: When I say life I mean physical living vessels. I'm wouldn't group myself into that as I am not an inhabitant of this realm, rather a parasite that feeds off of the energy of these physical vessels. I have not met all otherkin therefore I maybe wrong when I say "life that we know of".

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Not sure if you've seen it yet, Krowlie, but I posted my piece in my blog. Honestly it's not complete, I got distracted half a zillion times and often I end up going off in a direction I don't mean to when I'm writing something like that. End up forgetting things I mean to add. I can agree with some bits of what you said, but I am inclined to disagree with the Void being counter-existent to light as well as that it is trying to retake the universe. Mostly, I feel like the Void doesn't much care about the universe at large, or rather, if she does, there's a "best by" date on it that we can't see and she knows her children and all that she and they have created will return to her when it's time. Although time itself is, I believe, a creation either of the Void or of one or more of her children. The Void is pure existence and while we, in a limited sense, can acknowledge that she is far older than we are able to comprehend, the human mind can only loosely imagine and therefore not fully grasp the concepts of timeless, ageless, or eternal. The Void has no age because she has no beginning and no end, she exists outside of the many incarnations of Time. I say incarnations because really time could flow in different ways in different universes, and then there's the debate over whether time in our universe operates on a loop or is linear.

Bah, that got more involved than I wanted it to. What I really just wanted to say was that I made my post for you to read and hopefully it (mostly) explains what I've found! I need more coffee. Zzzzzzz -.-

~Rhannan

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Gotta say that sounds an awful lot like pure mass.

BUUUUT i won't knock it.

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Okay, excuse me if this has already been talked about in this thread or even this forum, I just glanced over most of the posts after the starting post and didn't get time to read all of the forums. But as far as I get it, you state that the MDI actually is caused by a physical virus... so doesn't this mean that the virus should be isolatable from the blood of an infected or possessed human. If you can isolate the virus, you might even be able to analyze its behaviour and shade some light on how the process of possession actually works.

If this is actually a physical viral infection, it has to have a phsyical representation in the part of a human that is responsible for their connection to their original soul and control over their conciousness. So if the virus and their effect on healthy cells can be analyzed, we might be able to find a definite proof of the existance of energetic lifeforms and "souls", after all, if it doesn't have some kind of mesurable representation in our realm, it is irrelevant to it, because without a representation in this realm, it can't affect it.

I'm not talking about the ususal "what I can't see doesn't exist" sense, I mean it more that it has to be possible to construct a measurement device to proof the existance of souls, because if its not measureable somehow, its indifferent to this realm if they exist, because they dont affect this realm in any way.

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Theoretically a physical virus would have an origin strain from someone known as "Zero" or "Patient Zero". MDI isn't classified by the CDC or international agencies (That we know of). Also claiming that its a virus also imply's there is counter treatment.

Also, typically the words "Physical" and "Soul' typically don't correspond, but i won't even open that shitstorm.

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I have encountered some pretty nasty stuff, possibly (probably) demonic, and a good friend of mine has dealt with demonic-type entities as well. From what I've seen, I wouldn't call it a virus, it's more a very toxic connection. Like having a person in your life that just drags you down and saps your energy, only this is not a physical person and they do more than just weaken you. Better yet, think unhealthy relationship. Constantly being with and around someone who plays mind games with you, goes hot then cold then hot again for no reason, some who's a compulsive liar but always puts it in a way that makes you not sure if they're lying or you're just being overly paranoid or sensitive. Eventually you get to the point where this person has you so wrapped up that you think and feel what they want you to and you constantly question yourself instead of them. You think you're the problem or you're not good enough for them but by some unknown "miracle" they chose to be with you so you should feel lucky to have them in your life. Or, you snap out of it, wake up (because sometimes it can cause an almost dream-like state of mind) and find a way to break the connection, destroy their hold over you. Which can take time, honestly. Not only do you have to be thorough in searching out the entire extent of the connection and wiping it out, you also have to then work towards healing yourself so that a) you can move on with your life and b) not fall prey to someone or something like that again. I would think that dealing with a demonic entity attempting to control and possess you is similar, partially based on the experiences of a friend of mine.

My friend (who is very spiritually sensitive and has some gifts) had all kinds of things happening that were meant to frighten her into staying in a bad situation so that it could continue to feed off her fear, and eventually the fear of her children. Not sure that it ever tried to possess her, although she may have mentioned that it did, mostly it wanted to dominate and break her spirit. She was living in a very negative place with some negative people, one of whom was always trying to find ways to belittle and trap her there. Basically this person and the entity (probably in large part through this person) made a concerted effort to make her feel like she wasn't worth anything and didn't deserve to be alive. All in all, a bad environment to be in, especially when trying to raise children. After we became friends I did what I could to help her, and she tried to help me with some of my issues. I visited once and I won't say it was completely quiet but it seemed like whatever was there was mostly hiding, probably because I had already actively interfered to help my friend get rid of it once and when it came to try and retaliate it got its a$$ handed to it.

But I digress. My main point is that, from my point of view, it's less of a virus and more of a toxic relationship. However, I can see how for some it may appear more viral in the way that it can spread or act, and how that may seem like a good way to describe it. Although maybe it would be more like some psychological disorders, perhaps, as opposed to a virus such as chicken pox or the flu? The way they can start off small (it's always the little things) and then grow and get worse before ultimately consuming the individual? There are plenty of psychological symptoms that can show up when dealing with demonic entities, that start off small, and they can can be misconstrued as signs of a psychological disorder. Severe bouts of depression, changes in eating habits, violent mood swings, sometimes seeming like there's more than one personality present, odd changes in behavior. Oh wait.....I just described women who are PMSing.....ahem.

Just my two cents on the virus or not point. I was already thinking that it doesn't seem like a virus to me, I just hadn't gone to the effort of writing out my opinion.

~Rhannan

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I think that angels and demons are kinda the two faces of the same coin... And I have encountered both. Actually, I found nice demons and annoying angels, so... who's good and who's evil?

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I agree, Styxan, they are two sides of the same coin. I've encountered both as well although I can't say I've met any nice demons who aren't currently in a human body and kin. So I'm sure they're out there, but I don't really involve myself much with either group. Good and evil are rather human and limited concepts, very subjective. I think it would be more apt to say that both are necessary to the way this universe functions; both groups perform important functions that help keep the universe running. Or something like that.

~Rhannan

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Agreed. They have their duties, which are important to our world. They are not the best buddies, but what then?

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Good and evil are rather human and limited concepts.

While i believe that's accurate, wouldn't the same apply to perspective if we are talking concepts?

Which is kind of a loaded question lol however I'm curious.

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Sure. Everything is subjective pretty much, since we can really only view something from one point of view. I mean sure, I can sometimes look at something from a different view point, but it doesn't really change the fact that I'm going to be subjective in what I get out of it. The way I interpret, view, and "feel" about something will be heavily impacted by the way that I have been raised and what I have learned and been exposed to throughout the course of this life.

I forget where I was going. The thought train derailed due to cinematic hilarity ^^;

~Rhannan

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As for no cure for Mdi I object with that as ive seen countless servants exorcised by the church now granted most possession is simply a mistake of identity some demons do have that ability zozo being one of them.- Lord of the East

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I have to say it's been quite a while since I actually came to these forums. This MDI That I spoke of isn't what I thought it was when I first started to research this condition. While some physical symptoms can be observed (I.E. Classic demonic possession), It's a wholly spiritual ailment. Demons are a spiritual tumor as I've stated before, and the effects of a possession differ in severity. From what I can tell there are 3 possession states: Involuntary being the most common, voluntary which makes up most ritual possessions, and symbiotic. Symbiotic possession is rare but does happen. Hell, most of the demon-kin here are more than likely in that state. The classic movie "The Exorcist" is a good example of involuntary. Voluntary is self explanatory, usually attained through dark arts and the like. Both of these possessions are extremely short lived unless "treated" siphoning the life force of the vessel very quickly. Long term effects of both states can manifest in the form of physical cancer and other severe diseases. It absolutely ravages your spirit and your physical form can suffer. Luckily I was incorrect about demonic possession in my first post, and most of the long and short term effects of "MDI" can be treated. While I have no empirical evidence of post-possession cancer survivors, I'm not so sure it'd be taken seriously by the medical professionals involved.

Symbiotic possession is a completely different state altogether. It's pretty evident it involves the merger of ones spiritual self with the parasitic tumor that infects it. This can be beneficial for both parties, and while permanent, it is ALWAYS a voluntary situation. Symbiosis takes years to achieve and requires a certain mind state. I personally think these unique possessions can only effect the sons and daughters of Cain, but I have no evidence of this. Usually those that undergo this transformation become a totally different entity. As I've stated this is a permanent effect, and as time passes the humanity of the host slowly withers until the human condition is literally a tool to conceal oneself. I actually came to these forums to explain The Pit and the abyssal fortress that resides there, so I plan on doing this as soon as I possibly can. This will have to be written preemptively because it's quite a bit to write down. I apologize for any grammatical errors. As always take away from this what you will, I don't expect all to agree or like what i have to say.

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